Morning Bits: Payroll, Path to the Playoffs, 189 million

Good morning all and happy Friday.  Today is the Yankees first spring training game and just because it’s not against a major league team it’s still pretty exciting to me.  Let’s get right to the links…..

* The New York Times writes about the new plan: To cut payroll.

* Also from the Times they mention how the Yankees brushed up on their comedic skills yesterday.

* Sirius radio host Mad Dog (man I miss when him and Mike had the show together) has a squabble with Cashman.

* Yankees path to the playoffs gets easier reports NBC New York.

* Sports Illustrated has all the details of the Yankees and the push to get below 189 million.

* Yankees are not to wild about proposed new wild card format.

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Posted on March 2, 2012, in Notes & Links and tagged , . Bookmark the permalink. 28 Comments.

  1. can’t wait to see the stats from the first game later today.

  2. Gentlemen, if your interested I’ve redone my “crystal ball” look at roughly what the Yankees roster might/could/should look like come the 2014 season if they want to get to $189MM payroll. Let me know if you would like me to post it again.

  3. Here it is: You will note the names are not necessarily important in some categories It’s the dollars that matter. Also at the bottom, I’ve allocated $6MM for 1 of A-Rods “milestone incentives”. This may wind up being money they can use for something else for example towards a player(s) salary. He probably won’t hit it in 2014 as he needs 85 HR’s to get to Ruth’s total. In any case the Yankees would know sometime in 2013 if that money will be available or not for salaries versus the incentive.
    Anyway here we go:

    
    ……………...............…….W/Jeter in Line Up
    POS…………… NAME ……………………………….2014
    C……………..Austin Romine………………………$500,000
    1B………....…Mark Teixeira…...……………….$22,500,000
    2B……………Robinson Cano…………………..$21,000,000
    SS/DH…….…Derek Jeter………………….…….$14,000,000
    3B/DH…….…Alex Rodriguez…………………..$27,500,000
    LF……………Brett Gardner…………..………….$7,000,000
    CF…….…Granderson OR Player TBD…...…..$18,000,000
    RF…….....….Prospect TBD (Heathcott)……..…..$500,000
    DH/Util Inf.….DH / Util. SS – Player TBD…...…$2,000,000
    SP1………….CC Sabathia……………..………$24,400,000
    SP2………….Michael Pineda……………….…..$3,500,000
    SP3………….Ivan Nova…………………………..$3,500,000
    SP4…..….….Manny Banuelos………..…..………$500,000
    SP5...............Phil Hughes..............................$6,500,000
    CL…....………David Robertson…….……………$6,500,000
    SU…….………Set up man (Joba)…….…………$5,000,000
     RP…...……....Cory Wade...……………...………..$600,000
    RP….......……Adam Warren…………..…….…….$500,000
    RP……………Dellin Betances………….………….$600,000
    RP………...…Relief Pitcher…..……………...….$1,000,000
      RP….............Relief Pitcher.......…..…..……….$1,000,000
    C……...……..Francisco Cervelli…………...……$1,500,000
    Util.-SS…..…..Eduardo Nunez………………..….$1,800,000
    Util.-OF…..….Chris Dickerson or TBD…....…….$1,500,000
    Util.-OF Prospect/Rookie (ie:Justin Maxwell).........$500,000
    15…Bal. of 40 Man Roster./Player Benefits/etc..$11,000,000
    …………Incentives (A-Rod Milestone)..………….$6,000,000
    TOTAL Payroll………………………………………… $188,900,000
    
    • I guess you will have to forgive the way it lines up.

    • I hope as most can see the Yankees clearly can reduce their payroll to the required threshold number in 2014. And in my opinion still remain extremely, extremely competitive. Then if need be they can go over it once again but reduce it again in years 2016 and/or 2017 when A-Rod, CC and Tex come off the payroll in the years to come. The Yankees should certainly be able to replace A-Rod and probably Tex with high quality players when the time comes for at least a little less money and possibly fewer years. As for replacing CC that remains to be seen. But who knows by 2015 or 2016 when CC is just a year or 2 away from his contract expiring maybe Pineda and or Nova will be ready to take over the Mantle of a #1 starter. We shall see.

    • uyf, right on the money this is the team I also picture for 2014. The Yanks keep Grandy,Hughes, Joba, Nova, and Pineda are all locks. There’s not going to be room for Hamilton, Cain, or Hamels the way I see it.

      • There’s room for Hamilton if they don’t renew Granderson. Which I’m still not sure they will do. They purpose on my breakdown was to show that they have money for a a “bat” in that position. Who it is depends on who’s available.

        I do not like the idea of a 33 year old which is what Granderson will be in 2014 getting a 4 year deal to play CF in Yankees Stadium. And 4 years is probably the very, very least he will accept. I’d much rather the Yankees use some of the “milestone incentive” money that should be available to sign a younger Ellsbury if he were to hit FA that year.

        • urf, I know you like Hamilton alot more than me, he is a big gamble with the cap the Yanks don’t have alot of wiggle room. Grandy is not a sure thing either. Hopefully a young outfielder like Soler, Heathcott, Williams, Garcia, or someone else steps up by that time.I’m not sold on Ellsbury either has has had injury problems hasn’s played enough. I think he could be overrated right now. The Yanks will never get him anyway. If he has a big year this year the Sox will sign him long term, if he has a subpar year he will be a ? It’s funny how in the 60′s and 70′s the outfield was where all the top players played, today their really aren’t that many great outfielders.

  4. Thanks for sharing all of that. I really hope Cervelli isn’t on the team long term. Also it goes without saying this payroll could easily by had by how well the prospects do thus keeping the cost down.

  5. Here is a link to a bleacher report article. It’s pretty interesting.

    The headline:MLB Trade Rumors: Nick Swisher for Jair Jurrjens Before the Deadline?

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1087003-mlb-trade-rumors-nick-swisher-for-jair-jurrjens-before-the-deadline?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=new-york-yankees

    What do you think? I tell you in advance of you ready it. I’m all for it. IF Jurrjens proves to be able to stay healthy during the 1st half of this season.

    • I don’t think the Yanks need Jurrjens to win this year, who’s playing RF for the Yanks? If Jurrjens is under control for a few years I might think about it.

      • He is till 2014 that why I don’t think it’s a fair trade.

      • Goug, he would be under team control through 2014. He also would be insurance for a playoff run and post season and he would be a welcome addition to the roster in 2013 when Kuroda is gone at a very, very reasonable cost.

        As for who could play right field. The Yankees could stick Nunez out there for the 2nd half of the season or the money they save on Swishers 2nd half salary by trading him could be used to pick up someone at the trade deadline. It’s a lot easier to pick up a corner outfielder for a few months then a young cost control pitcher of Jurrjens quality IF he’s healthy.

      • Sorry… should have been Doug.

        Also meant to say till 2014 not through 2014.

    • Why would Atlanta do that? Doesn’t seem fair for them? I think some other prospect might have to be included to get that done.

    • I don’t think this trade makes any sense in the middle of the yr. The Yanks already passed on Jurrjens this Winter when they needed pitching. Now they have 6 starters and 5 in the minors nearly ready so I don’t see what the attraction would be. He profiles as a back-end pitcher in the Al East, has injury concerns and has lost almost 3 MPH the last few yrs.

      The Yanks are very thin in the OF with no real prospects in the Upper Levels so they wouldn’t trade their #6-hitter in the middle of the yr with no apparent replacement. They would also lose out on the #1 pick they’ll likely get when they offer arb to Swish and he refuses at end of yr.

      If anything i think the Yanks will look to add a bat at the deadline depending on how the DH guys work out and if ARod stays healthy.

      Martin Prado intrigues me from ATL as a good hitter who can play 3B & OF.

      • The last sentence of your 2nd paragraph is probably the main reason I think this makes little sense for the Yankees upon reflection.

        • Yeah, the best way for the Yanks to get talent in the draft now is to let FA’s walk. They have an opportunity to offer both Martin & Swish qualifying arb offers this yr and potentially gain 2 compensatory high compensatory picks.

          Worse comes to worse they get Swish and Martin back for 1 more yr at maybe slightly more than they’d want to pay but it doesn’t impact 2014′s budget.

          • You anticipated my next comment.

            It’s possible the Yankees when they offer both Swisher and Martin arbitration and let’s assume they decline. They offer both $12.5MM for 1 season.

            The Yankees could/would have 3 1st round draft selections. One for Swisher, 1 for Martin and their own. Not bad.

          • Fish what’s your thoughts that the Yankees didn’t go nuts trying to suck up all the Cuban talent this off season. Didn’t you feel they might have done that before the new rules for the draft take place next year?

            • I thought they should have been very agressive. However, everyone around the lg was also aggressive and the salaries got ridiculously high. Plus, the Yanks have the most to lose by giving these unknowns Major-Lg salaries – the Luxury Tax.

              If they could get any of these guys without a MLB-deal, then it maks sense. Soler is still out there and I think he’s been the most intriguing guy from the start. However, it seems he’ll get a MLB-deal which is hard for the Yanks to give to a 19-yr old who is several yrs away from the majors.

              Consider the MLB-deals the Yanks gave to amateurs Wily Mo Pena, Drew Henson, Andrew Brackman & Cuban Andy Morales – none turned out well.

              The LHP Concepion was an option since he only got 7M but apparently the Yankee scouts/advisors didn’t think he was worth it since they worked him out just days before he signed. For an 18-yr old to get $7M, he must have 1st rd talent and I don’t have enough info to know if he’s a 1st round talent. Considering the highest bonuses the Yanks have given out to an amateur lately has been $3M for Gary Sanchez – Concepcion would have to have been pretty special in their eyes to get double that.

  6. I”m going to re-post this since it disappeared from view on the side.

    Here it is: You will note the names are not necessarily important in some categories It’s the dollars that matter. Also at the bottom, I’ve allocated $6MM for 1 of A-Rods “milestone incentives”. This may wind up being money they can use for something else for example towards a player(s) salary. He probably won’t hit it in 2014 as he needs 85 HR’s to get to Ruth’s total. In any case the Yankees would know sometime in 2013 if that money will be available or not for salaries versus the incentive.
    Anyway here we go:

    ……………………………….W/Jeter in Line Up
    POS…………… NAME ……………………………….2014
    C……………..Austin Romine………………………$500,000
    1B………….…Mark Teixeira…………………….$22,500,000
    2B……………Robinson Cano…………………..$21,000,000
    SS/DH…….…Derek Jeter………………….…….$14,000,000
    3B/DH…….…Alex Rodriguez…………………..$27,500,000
    LF……………Brett Gardner…………..………….$7,000,000
    CF…….…Granderson OR Player TBD………..$18,000,000
    RF………..….Prospect TBD (Heathcott)……..…..$500,000
    DH/Util Inf.…. Player TBD………….…$2,000,000
    SP1………….CC Sabathia……………..………$24,400,000
    SP2………….Michael Pineda……………….…..$3,500,000
    SP3………….Ivan Nova…………………………..$3,500,000
    SP4…..….….Manny Banuelos………..…..………$500,000
    SP5……………Phil Hughes…………..$6,500,000
    CL…….………David Robertson…….……………$6,500,000
    SU…….………Set up man (Joba)…….…………$5,000,000
    RP…………….Cory Wade…………………………..$600,000
    RP……….……Adam Warren…………..…….…….$500,000
    RP……………Dellin Betances………….………….$600,000
    RP……………Relief Pitcher…..………………….$1,000,000
    RP…………….Relief Pitcher…….…..…..……….$1,000,000
    C……………..Francisco Cervelli…………………$1,500,000
    Util.-SS…..…..Eduardo Nunez………………..….$1,800,000
    Util.-OF…..….Chris Dickerson or TBD…….…….$1,500,000
    Util.-OF Prospect/Rookie (ie:Justin Maxwell)………$500,000
    15…Bal. of 40 Man Roster./Player Benefits/etc..$11,000,000
    …………Incentives (A-Rod Milestone)..………….$6,000,000
    TOTAL Payroll………………………………………… $188,900,000

    • I wrote this (somewhat) somewhere on this blog a few weeks ago (or less). I’ll redo as much as I remember, whether you want me too or not! lol
      The start of 2014 we will have shed the contracts of;
      Martin, Swisher, Kuroda, Freddy, and Granderson as FA….they will be offered arbitration so
      we may get draft picks for them.
      Cut or non tendered players in 2013 will be; Jones and ibaiz(SP?)
      Jeter will be gone by the start of 2014…I know, no one wants to hear it but, facts are facts. If Jeter was telling the truth this spring, he will walk.
      Eight contracts gone, so there is money to buy a good left-handed bat.

  7. I posted these two at Bleacher Report;

    1–Swisher is a much better RF than Jurrjens is a pitcher. Other than some of the very best, 99% of the pitchers out of the NL, let alone the NL west fail big time in the AL Beast!
    For those of you that are wondering, Phil is going to be (Unless traded for a Hitter) one of our more reliable and better pitchers this and next few years.
    Phil will be as good as his FB lets him be, everything works off his FB. If it slows even 1-2 MPH, he will have to become a Freddy like pitcher.

    2–I am not sure if I woke up in the twlight zone, or is everyone smoking something funny. LOL
    Will Knightly made a lot of good comments.
    Trading one of the most underrated RF for a so so NL pitcher, is a disaster.
    Next year the Yanks will have CC, Phil, Nova, Pineda, and one of; Banuelos, Betances, Phelps, Warren, Mitchell and Turley…a few of these guys, after one year in the show would be better than Jurrjens. We don’t need to trade away our players for pitchers anymore.

    Sometimes, wonder what game some of the fans are watching over at BR!

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