Morning Bits: C.C. looked sharp, Pettitte in game 2, & more…

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Good Morning all.  C.C. did what he needed to do last night and it took awhile but the Yankee bats finally came alive in the top of the 9th.   Yankees now hold a 1 game lead.  Game 2 is tonight with Pettitte facing Chen.  Game time is set for 8:07PM.  Let’s start this Monday off right with some links….

Marchand writes that Pettitte and the O’s meet again.

Wallace Matthews has his rapid reaction from after the game.

Bryan Hoch has the recap from yesterday’s game where the Yankees finally broke out in the top of the 9th.

– After struggling with the O’s during the season, The Yankees Ace almost went the distance writes Gregor Chrsholm.

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Posted on October 8, 2012, in Notes & Links. Bookmark the permalink. 66 Comments.

  1. i dont like tbs the weay they do the games,… they dont have yes-mo for close plays at the bases,……the announcers seem to leave out a lot about whats going on , on the field, they really dont do a good game.

    YES production is way better,……

    didfnt it used to be in the old days, not really that long ago,.. that a teams hometown station could also do the game on tv?

    last night when cano doubled the tbs announcers said that was a typical cano hit, lol,….. if cano went down the line to ledft field more than twice this season i’d be shocked,……. that was not a typical cano double in the right-center gap to the wall,…

    the tbs announcers also said when the yankees came back and scored 5 in the 9th,…… thats that how they do it,.. meaning usually, they went on to say the yankees wear you down, then bam, they get a big inning —— that is nonsense,……. i dont think the yankees scored 5 or more runs in an inning all season with 1 or less of the runs coming on a homer,…… maybe a handful of times, very unusual for the yankees

    the tbs announcers havnt sat their and watched every inning of every yankee game this year– AND THEY SIMPLY DO NOT KNOW THE TEAM

  2. IF RON DARLING WAS DOIING THE GAME, HE WOULDNT HAVE SAID THOSE THINGS,….Even though ron is busy doing the mets all year,….he still knows the yankees,…

    . but the tbs announcers they had doing the game, simply do not know the yankees team, and how they have played this year

  3. Awesome win! If Tex,Swish, and CC keep up what they did last night Yanks have a good shot.

  4. This is thanks to Yankee management for freaking me out about “189 million”

    2013 salaies,, 7 players set with big money

    jeter——————17 million
    cano—————–15 million– yankees wont exercise 2 million buy out
    teixeira————–22.5 million
    granderson——–13 million— yankees wont exercise 2 million buy out —
    arod—————–28 million—– could go to 30 with incentives

    sabathia————–23 million
    soriano—————14 million

    ======132.5 million— those are 7 signed players that are simply not up for re-negotiation by either side going into 2013 season

    thats leaves 56.5 million to get the other 18 players under contract at 189 million or less

    russel martin—— made 7.5 million in 2012, super 2 aribtration, possible free agent*****************
    ibanez——– made 1.1 million in 2012 ——-out right free agent
    swisher—— made 10.25 in 2012————–out right free agent**************************
    chavez——–made 900,000 in 2012———-out right free agent
    andru jones–made 2 million in 2012——— out right free agent’
    ichiro———–made 17 million in 2012——- out right free agen***************************
    gardner——–made 2.8 million in 2012– arbitration eligible—– keep for less than 3 million
    nix——– —– abitration eligible — keep for less than 700k
    stewart———keep for less than 700k
    nunez———–keep for less than 700k
    dickerson—– arbitration eligible—- keep for less than 700 k

    =then we still have to pay 4 more starters and 5 more bull pen
    is 189 million possibe?

    lets us continue to study this

    • thats leaves 56.5 million to get the other 18 players under contract at 189 million or less

      assume we get :

      swisher for 12 million
      Ichiro for 10 million
      Mariano for 10 million
      Andy for 7 million
      Gardner for 5 million

      thats 43 more million

      that leaves 12.5 million for:
      3 more starters
      5 more bull pen
      5 more hitters

      • I would look at signing Ibanez, Chavez, Ichiro, short term, and keep Gardner, Nunez, and Dickerson off that group for next year.

    • Jim how about for 2014

      CC
      Hughes
      Nova
      Pineda
      Phelps
      Banuelos

      Gardner
      Cano
      A-Rod
      Jeter
      Tex
      Romine
      Nunez
      Dickerson
      Almonte

      Warren
      Robertson
      Monte
      Chamberlain
      Campos

      Sanchez
      Williams

      Add free agent outfielder and pitcher.

      • supposedly, 2014 is not the issue,….. i have heard on here from various people,.. that say if the yankees can get down to 188.9 million in 2013,.. the luxury tax then resets,…. and they wont have to pay 40 million to MLB in 2014,……. which would open the check books for granderson and cano who are free agents after the 2013 season

        it all hin ges on the 2013 payroll

        • I don’t see the Yanks resigning Grandy next year or Swisher this year. I quess I’m wrong I thought it was 2014 for the 189. I do see the Yanks under 189 whenever they need to be.

          • i know what you are are,, but granderson getting 40 homers, 100 rbi, and 100 runs,….. is important,.. and his average will also pick up,… he isnt a 230 hitter,

            you can keep granderson, we should

            irreplaceable

        • WRONG! The tax number next year is still 178 million with a tax rate of 50%.

          Second the Yankees don’t a flying pile of crap about paying the tax.

          This is about revenue sharing an only revenue sharing dollars. If they get rebates then they will not be paying luxury tax as they will be under the threshold.

  5. ps—— dont the yankees already have a starter that was on the DL all season, that is making big money as well? he might suck up the entire 12.5 million left

    189 is not realistic to keep the team intact

    however—– if the yankees go deep into the world series this year– i estimate a windfall of at least 50 million in net profit on the post season

  6. Jim222/44….good morning. Nice win last night, fine. Nice long post re: salaries, fine. But, lets move on to your Gravatar. You can do this. Almost all the Urban Bloggers have one, except you. So lets go! Be creative, and express yourself.

  7. i express myself in words—,, i also understand it is way to early to start hot stove talk —— but it is the yankees management that did it to me,…… they started this crap months ago

    getting us all worried

    • Canonis a line to line hitter; I do t know who you’ve been watching all these years.

      For the 50M that TBS and FOX will be paying each team for broadcasting rights moving forward, they’re going to pu whoever they please in the booths.

      We do have a starter thats been on the DL all year, but he hasn’t even gone to arbitration yet, so 12.5M is quite th stretch.

      All this time ficusing on Jeter has got you a little out of touch. Check out the rest of the Yankees…they’re pretty good too!

      Great game last night; let’s put another W in the books with Andy on the hill tonight!

      • would be nice to get a win today and have Kuroda close it out in game 3.

        • That Gonzalez kid might give us some fits, but if the offense gets on a roll there really isn’t much stopping them.

          Hoping the extra days off served Hirok well… He’s not used to pitching this deep into the season. He should have gotten plenty of sidework in…would like to see him have a feel for his offspeed stuff/splitter right out of the gate.
          Taking two would be huge. Getting to their pen last night was great to see. Wouldnt mind Johnsons ERA staying at 108 for the post season.

      • i watched probably all of 160 yankees games this season—— i do not recall cano going down the left field line, i am talking down the line, one time this season,……..

        let alone as if it would be a no brainer to say he does it all the time

        do not try to make me look like an idiot sir,…..

        i watched every game intently

  8. pineda only made 528k this year, and is not arbitration eligible
    — so we keep for less than 700k

    it could be possible, the 189,

    we are looking at players like joba and robertson to keep, right?

    it is going to be real close

    make out what could be the starting 25 mnan roster for 189 million

    jeter——————17 million*****
    cano—————–15 million******
    teixeira————–22.5 million******
    granderson——–13 million *****
    arod—————–28 million*******
    swisher————-12 million
    Ichiro——————10 million
    martin—————–5 million
    gardner—————5 million
    nunez—————–700k
    dickerson————-700k
    nix———————-700k

    sabathia————–23 million******
    pettite——————7 million
    pineda—————–700k
    hughes—————-5 million
    kuroda—————-10 million

    soriano—————14 million********
    mariano—————10 million
    robertson————-3 million
    phelps—————–500k
    logan——————3 million
    nova——————-700k
    wade——————700k
    eppley—————–700k

    ***** = cannot change

    = 207.9 million

    THAT IS 19 MILLION OVER BUDGET

    and we are giving up lowe, ibanez, chavez, and garcia

    in order to get 19 million off the budget,….. you could shave out swisher at 12, and replace him with a backup minor leaguer at 500k,….. that saves 11.5 million, leaving you 7.5 million over budget

    a few ways to handle that —– insult mariano and offer him only 2.5 million,….. lol,… sign mariano for 10 and trade soriano for prospects– is thats even possible

    or sinply ignore ichiro,….. so youd be dumping both ichiro and swisher and replacing them with whatever minor league guys you have that can play for less than 700k

    i think it is a close call,……. between trading soriano or dumping ichiro—– in either case swisher is gone as long you want to sign mariano

  9. opps i faiuled to include joba by accident——- who’s spot would he take at maybe 2 milion in the pen? logans?

  10. getting prospects for soriano would not be a bad deal,.. as loing as you get get the right minor league prospects and draft picks back for him,.. to bolster the farm system,….. cause you would still have mariano closing, with joba and robertson in the wings

    that would enable you to keep ichiro

    unfortunatley, swisher would be gone,.. the odd man out to get to 189

  11. basicaly i figured it out

    if you look at my latest numbers just above

    you can get wityhin 189 million by :

    trading soriano and signing mariano, and letting ichiro or swisher walk

    or keeping soriano, and not offering mariano anything above 2.5 million if anything, and letting ichiro or swisdher walk

    we would be losing also ibanez, chavez, logan, garcia, etc……

  12. I believe in my academic brain,…… that the correct thing to do would be to trade soriano for decent prospects and picks, and let ichiro walk,……… singing mariano and swisher

    but my heart as a fan is telling me to keep ichiro and let swisher walk

    it would be possible to get to 188.9 million

    now, m admittley, i do not know all the rules, the fine print

    certainly players go on the dl, and players get called up,…… i hjave no idea what the rules are to the salary cap at that point

    and i dont think anyone on here knows what they are either

    lets say the yankees are right at a 25 man roster to start 23013 at 188.9 million,…. a 10 million players goes down,, and the briung in a 500k player,.. now they are over the 189 million—– dores then the 40 million dollar luxury tax kick in to pay MLB?

    thats the real question that we need answered

    isnt it?

  13. so my final 25 man roster toi start the 2013 season, to get under 189 million payroll is this—— this is my final answer if i was on who wants to be a millionaire, lol

    jeter——————17 million*****
    cano—————–15 million******
    teixeira————–22.5 million******
    granderson——–13 million *****
    arod—————–28 million*******
    swisher————-12 million
    martin—————–5 million
    gardner—————5 million
    nunez—————–700k
    dickerson————-700k
    nix———————-700k
    veteran or minor league outfielder at 1 million

    sabathia————–23 million******
    pettite——————7 million
    pineda—————–700k
    hughes—————-5 million
    kuroda—————-10 million

    mariano—————10 million
    robertson————-3 million
    Joba——————-3 million
    phelps—————–500k
    logan——————3 million
    nova——————-700k
    wade——————700k
    eppley—————–700k

    =187.9 million

    that would including trading soriano for prospects, farm hands, and draft picks, letting ibanez, jones, chavez, logan, ichiro—-all gone

    so it would be possible to do this

    and again, you want ichiro and soriano,…….. you got to let swisher and marino go without offering a contract

    the yankees under my plan,,.. get under 189 million to start the 2013 season,.. avoiding the 40 million MLB payout to MLB,….. thus making it possible to go into the checkbook to re-sign cano and granderson in 2014
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    throw into this mix a yankees corporation windfall of about 50 million in 2013 and 2014 for getting deep into the world series both years

    now we can start to look to the future with prospects coming up from the soriano trade in this off season,…. as we anticipate arod and jeters, mariano, and andy’s final retirements in the future

    • First off you have Granderson’s salary wrong. Beyond that the rest of your plan makes very little sense. Remember you need to take 10 million off the top for incidental expenses. Second for next year the cap is 178 million. So can you build a team with a total under 168 next year and 179 in 14?

  14. like i said i dont know the fine print,.. you want to shave 11 milkion off my final accounting, go ahead, lol

    as far as grandersons salkary for 2013, i got it from baseball reference.com, gbrandersons player page

    they have granderson at 13 million for 2013, if the yankees dont buy him out for 2 million,.. and let him walk, or rework the deal this off season,.. granderson goes into 2013 at 13 million

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/grandcu01.shtml

    • tell me what the rule is,.. if you have legal knowledge about the salary cap,….. lets have it,……. is it total salary you pay anyone the wears a mlb uniform during any day of the season,….. or do they make exceptions for dl and call ups and send downs, etc,…

      what are the rules?

      i think i did a very good job,… because i got it down below 189 million

      you want to shave another 11 million off what i did,……. lets see it

      • Jim – The goal is to get under the Luxury tax threshold in 2014 because it rises to $189 Million. Obviously, the decisions you make this yr will effect 2014 so it’s important to plan ahead. We will break it down in detail after the post-season but here are some of the rules to remember if you want to look at it now:

        - The Luxury Tax is based on the Annual Average Value of a contract, so ARod’s 10 yr $275M deal counts $27.5m per yr even though it fluctuates
        - Any incentive earned counts against the cap in the year it is earned. If ARod hits 14 HRs next yr, he gets a $6 Million bonus
        - The Luxury Tax and $189M budget is for the entire 40 Man Roster, not the 25-man
        - You have to consider about $10M for player benefits which is why the real goal is $179M
        - Don’t forget about arbitration raises for guys like Hughes, Robertson, Joba, Gardner, Logan, etc.

        • i understand,, but jobba and gardner hace no arbitration stance,, since they had no numbers this season,. totally skewing against them bigtime if they choose arbitration att he earliest moment

          • You again do not know what you are talking about….they both will likely get a small bump.

            It’s very doubtful that Hughes, Joba, Wade, Nix, Swisher, Dickerson etc will even be on next year’s team.

            • right, a small bump, and i factored that in,……. a bump given by the yankees, not an arbitrator,.. if either of those players goes to arbitration,.. they will get a salary decrease, based on what they did the last 3 seasons inclkusing 2012,.. against the top 5 players at their positions average salary the last 3 years

              arbitration judges are all about stats vs salary

              gardner has no stats this season,… thats 1/3 off his numbers ,. and jobba has barely aby stats this season

        • Fish the goal is for the Yankees too get their revenue sharing dollars paid back in the form of rebates. This is worth at least 200 million and likely more to the organization depending on whether they need to be under for 2013.

          25% in 13
          50% in 14
          75% in 15
          !00% in 16

          Now as far as I know it has not been mentioned if you need to be under in 13 to qualify for 50% rebate rate in 14.

          • Everything I have ever read in quotes attributed to Levine or Hal talks about the $189M threshold. They never mention the $178 threshold. Because of that and the fact that it will be very difficult to get under $168M next yr, I’m pretty certain the goal is 2014.

            • Fish it depends on if they need to be under next year to qualify for the higher rebates. 300 – 225 is a lot better then 300 – 150. So if the don’t need to be under next to qualify for the higher rebate they will not care what they spend next year but if they do then austerity could come a lot sooner.

              Basically the Yankees will be paying an educated guess close to 133.3 million in revenue sharing over the years 14-16. So the Yankees will do what is needed to reach the higher rebates. The difference over 3 years at the higher rebates compared to the lower rebate rate could come out to be an extra 100 million to the team if they contribute a total of 400 million.

              There is a secondary benefit to being under asap as there will be less and less money to share with other teams so their competition gets less and less money going forward.

    • Again you do not know what you are talking about. Granderson got a 2 million bump in his option for next year from his top 4 finish in the MVP vote last year. Honestly do your homework as that is easily found.

  15. again, like i said, the information is updated and taken from baseballreference.com

    if you have a complaint and knowledge of this,…… go ahead and write baseballreference.com,.. they do make corrections and fix things ,….

    you are talking about a 2 million bump in granderson,.. so if we add 2 million to granderson,….. ytou want another 12 million removed, cause i was 1 million under, and you want a 10 m,illio n leeway,

    so, then we are looking at this…….

    jeter——————17 million*****
    cano—————–15 million******
    teixeira————–22.5 million******
    granderson——–15 million *****
    arod—————–28 million*******
    martin—————–5 million
    gardner—————5 million
    nunez—————–700k
    dickerson————-700k
    nix———————-700k
    veteran or minor league outfielder at 1 million
    veteran or minor league outfielder at 1 million

    sabathia————–23 million******
    pettite——————7 million
    pineda—————–700k
    hughes—————-5 million
    kuroda—————-10 million

    mariano—————10 million
    robertson————-3 million
    Joba——————-3 million
    phelps—————–500k
    logan——————3 million
    nova——————-700k
    wade——————700k
    eppley—————–700k

    ======175.9 million

    are you happy now??????

    • Dude your numbers are not even close to accurate.

      As for you getting your numbers for BR can you not see that under Granderson…

      2013 32 New York Yankees *$13,000,000 $13M Team Option, $2M Buyout Option increases to up to $15m with top 5 MVP finish and/or All-Star Game appearances in 2011 or 2012

  16. keep in mind,, some of those 700k’s were built in leeways,, cause they might be around 400-500k in relaity

  17. how much more can we possibly cut away?????

  18. if we azre really talking about 2014 and not 2013,…. jeter’;s earned salary bump for 2014, because he will get in the top 6 mvp this season, and get a silver slugger,….. bumps him up in the option years, and he still have 2012 and 2013 tro win a gold glove and alcs mvp and ws mvp,….. which all induded would bump him up to 17 millionm in 2014,.. and why would jeter opt out at tghat point,.. and the yankees wouldnt dare exercise the buyout at 3 million, creating a severe backlash from fans

    we also have to sign granderson and cano after the 2013 seasons, going into 2014

    the additional cut is obvious

    now you let granderson walk,—– this is what bloggers are writing,…. and put in a low pay cednter fielder

    now you are playing with fire here

    cause we are alrerady cutting swiser, ichiro, ibanez, jones, chavez, logan, soriano, garcia,.

    andy and mariano probably wont play in 2014,……. so you save money that way, i guess

    it is impossible to look at 2014 right now, without knowing the 2013 roster

    as far as the 40 man roster goes,…… you are looking at 15 additional players probably, all at no more than an average of 500k,…. so an additional 7.5 million

    my 175.9 million 25 man roster, going into 2013 IS OK

  19. OK, BUT I FIXED GRANDERSON, CUT SWISHER,…. and got it down to 175.9 million for a 2013-25 man rosster,.. with leeway built in, cause some of the 700k guys will maybe be 500k

  20. my numbers can not be that far off,….. for god’s sake man,…… how high is the vyankees 40 man roster this season— 250 million?

    it can not be that high

  21. and yes,,i am guessing, for fun,…..that andy play at 7 million next season, and marino plays at 10 million, al the 700k salaries on the list are high end,…… as none of those players will get that much

    i boosted gardner and jobba slightly, as a yankees corporation pay rasise,… without going to arbitaration, under the CBA,…

    and came up with a 25 man roster at 175.9 million,….. allowing for both a 40 man roster, and a in season trade, and still remain at below 189 million for 2013

    then in 2014, with 17 million coming off cause andy and marino will both be retired,

    we are looking at bumping granderson slightly, or keeping him the same,…. and adding a top starter in 2014, and still be under 189 million for the 40 man,– which is what YOU want

  22. i dont think the yankees are paying a 400 million salkaey cap tax over 3 years to MLB? i never heard a number like that in my life

    come on man

    i think you mean 40 million, not 400 million

    at any rate,….. if the overall idea is to cut payuroll, and keep the YANKESS AS THE YANKEES

    I have put out a 2013 25 man payroll roster that accomplishes that

    and opens the door in 2014 , with andy and mo coming off the books,…… to resign granderson with a slight bump,….. and still keep the 40 man roster under 189 million

    • Again you do not read well. This cutting of the Yankees payroll has nothing to do with luxury tax and everything to do with getting revenue sharing rebates. Those rebates are substantial.

      • OK,, I DIDNT REALIZE THEIR WAS A DIFFERENCE

        revenue sharing also has to to with road tivcket sales, on both sides,….. teams coming into yankee stadium,, and the yankees on the road,.. right?

        what is that cut,… 40% of ticket sales for the road team,…… if the yankees do not have a presence on the road to draw,….. the revenue sharing, , flowing both ways goes down

        if the yankees field a 100 million dollar payroll team,…. THAT DRAW IS GONE, BOTH WAYS

        right?

        the yankees pay very huigh on home games,.. and thus make money back on the road, cause they are the highest – draw– in baseball on the road

        as far as the yankees sharing everytime they sell a jeter jersey, or a souveniuor with the yankee logo on it,….. you would need to come up with km,ore details at to the business of MLB

        and all this goes to my broader arguement,…. THAT BAEDEBALL IS WAY BNIGGER THAN FOOTBALL

        although companies like espn and other media outlets, will have you believe that the NFL has lomng sinc e supassed baseball,… I BELIEVE IT IS A TOTAL LIE

        we are talking about the yankees paying 400 million to MLB , in whatever you say, extra,…..

        the nfl can not touch mlb revenue

        • What the bleeping ……..are you talking about? Are you really this stupid? The Yankees pay the largest amount of revenue sharing so if they starting get rebates they would figure to be substantial. If you do not know what revenue is then look it up.

          • i am talking about – revenhue sharing——- when a team comes into play at yankee stadium,, they get 40% of the revenue from the yankee tivcket sales,….. this is before secondary markeys,….. it is based on the yankee printed face value of the ticket, and the tickets that they sold out of theor posseion to whoeverm,, regardless of resales

            the same thing goes to the yankees, 40% , when they go on the road

            this is why the yankees charge mkore for tickets against the better teams,.. and why when the yankees are on the road the home team charges more for the tickets

            this is pure revenue sharing

            i know what i amn talking about

            revenue sharing

            as far as mlb gores, the national network contracts are divided equally among the 30 teams

            regardless of who gets in the post season

            and now, for at least over the past 10 years, maybe the past 20 years,…. teams arent allowed to broadcast post season games on tv,… seperate from the national contract

            so, revenue sharing is all abvout ticket sales,k and probably goes into souvenior sakles with anything mlb or a team logo on it

            no?

            • You are talking about stupidity which you do quite well. The Yankees pay revenue sharing to the league which then gets distributed to other teams. This is a substantial sum likely a half a billion over this 5 year CBA. So do the bleeping math if they are under and get big rebates the money returned will be substantial.

              • have i8 disagrreed with your first sentence??? no i have not

                but what is revenue sharing,….. IT IS TICKET SALES FOR ROAD TEAMS COMING IN

                revenue sharing is about ticket sales,, the yankees pay alot,, cause they charge alot

                WHAT OTHER “REVENUE” ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT

                • WHAT YOU HAVE FAILED TO MENTION, IS WHAT THE AMOUNT OF REVENUE SHARING THE YANKEES TAKE IN PLAYIN GON THE ROAD

                  • Are you really this big of a moron? I am through with your stupidity. At the end of the year the team makes a certain amount an a percentage of that is shared with the league. How that number is accounted matters not to me.

                    • the yankeesxmake revenue——untoucable revenus that is not shared is what the yankees get from lkb, which is equal to every treaqm,, their own radio money, their own tv money,..

                      whjat is shared revenus is ticket money money and products with team or mlb logo

                      concessions such as beer and food are not shared revenue

                      so, what exactly are you talking about in shared revenue

                      YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT TICKET SALES

                      AND WHAT THE YANKEES SHARE IN TICKET SALES,…. THEY ALREADY GET BACK IN SHARED TRIVKET SALES ON THE ROAD

                      NOW, THAT DIFFERENCE IS NOT EQUAL

                      BUT CERTAINLY NOT AS HIGH AS YOU SAY IT IS

                      ALTHOUGH IT MAY BE

                      BUT THAT IS NOT MAKING OR BREAKING THE YANKEES, THAT DIFFERENCE IN TICVKET SALES REVENUE SHARING

                      EVEN IF THE YANKEES KEEP 60% OF HOME TICKET SALES

                      3.5 MILLION TICKETS AT HOME X 100 A TOICVKET AVERAGE FACE VALUE = 350 MILLION

                      350 MILLION TIMES 60 PERCENT = 210 MILLION IN REVENUE TO THE YANKEES, 140 M,ILLION TO THE ROAD TEAMS

                      BUT THAT ISNT ALL THE TICKET REVENUE,.. CAUSE THE YANKEES GET 40% OF THE TICKET REVENUE WHEN THEY GO ON THE ROAD

                      CONCESSIONS, ADVERTISING RIGHTS,. LESASES FOR SPACE AT THE STADIUM, SOUNVENIOR SALES, PARKING === ALL OF THAT SHOULD BRERALK EVEN ON OPERATING THE STADIUM WITRH THE THOIUSANDS OF EMPLOYEES

                      THE VALKUE IS ANY SPORTS FRANCHISE, IS IN ITS’ INTRINSIC VALUE AS A SPORTS FRANCHISE

                      BUT WITH THE YANKEES,.. YOU KNOW THEY ALSO MAKE A PROFIT ON BOTHG THE YESNETWORK, AND THE RADIO RIGHTS

                      THE STEINBRENNERS MAKE MAYBE 10, 20, 30, 50 MILLION A YEAR IN SHEER NET INCOME PROFIT OFF THE BUSINESS, DIVIDED BY ALL THE SHAREHOLDERS

                      BUT THE VALIE IS THE 5 BILLION THEY CAN SELL THE TEAM FOR, IF TYHEY EVER CHOOSAE TO DO SO

                      AND WHY THE BANKS ALLOW THEM A HIGH REVOLVING CREDIT LINE TO RUNJ THE BUSINESS,….. WHILE ENMPLOYING TJOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE

                • Jim, there is no DIRECT payment to teams for road ticket sales. Revenue Sharing breaks down like this:

                  EVERY team must put a percentage of their local revenues (around 30%) into a Central Fund that is divided up among all teams. Sources of this Revenue include Home Gate Receipts, Food & Beverage, Local Broadcast Income, Local Advertising, Playoff Revenues, etc. What changed in the new CBA is teams from the top 15 markets can no longer profit from revenue sharing and the profits that they would have received will be given back to the team’s that pay the most as long as they are under the Luxury Tax.

                  • OK,…. so , i dont have it quite right,….. thats what i anm talking about it —-to learn,

                    however, the basic premise of what i amn saying is true

                    Gate receipts are the driving force, both at homew anbd on the road

                    right, but a team like the yankees have never profited from revenuie sharing,.. they always were paying,….

                    nothing new there

                    the differencve is what i have put out,….

                    cutting playier payroll, only to a point that you do not affectrevenue

                    it is in the yankees right as a private corporation,.. to have a 50million dollar 40 man roster, lol

                    they wsill never do it

                    the bank will never buy it

  23. 2013—— you want to make additional cuts—— give your opinion

    but dont jusdt say the numbers are out of whack,.. without pouttinbg forth an alternative

    jeter——————17 million*****
    cano—————–15 million******
    teixeira————–22.5 million******
    granderson——–15 million *****
    arod—————–28 million*******
    martin—————–5 million
    gardner—————5 million
    nunez—————–700k
    dickerson————-700k
    nix———————-700k
    veteran or minor league outfielder at 1 million
    veteran or minor league outfielder at 1 million

    sabathia————–23 million******
    pettite——————7 million
    pineda—————–700k
    hughes—————-5 million
    kuroda—————-10 million

    mariano—————10 million
    robertson————-3 million
    Joba——————-3 million
    phelps—————–500k
    logan——————3 million
    nova——————-700k
    wade——————700k
    eppley—————–700k

    ======175.9 million

  24. jimmy—– without looking at it,—— is the chart a -hits chart—– or where he hit the ball chart?

    you want to to noit beklieve my eyes watching the games, or beklieve some spray chart?

    cano might hit balls to left,.. but he doesnt get hits to left down the line

    spray charts are about wherte you hit the ball,….. not whgere you get hits’

    no?

  25. so there you go, i looked at the spray chart,, what did i count, maybe 8 hits all season down the left field line

    out of 196 hits

    so the TBS abbouncers saying he hits the ball down the left field line for hits, all the time, was COMPLETELY WRONG

  26. tommy gun…
    On your comment of a $50m budget, above.
    Very good rhetoric but, you have missed a very salient point. Cause and effect, I keep bringing that up because, some think the easy answer is the obvious one!
    One must take into account more than just the money paid to the players…that is just window dressing.
    You are taking about the New York Yankees, not the Tacomna Flyers.
    You are asking the Yanks to put out a scrub team for about 5 to10 years, until they get the amount of 1st round picks (as had many other teams) to put a very good young team on the field…unacceptable! The fans would revolt, the whole infrastructure would collapse because, of lost TV ratings etc., one
    could go on for a good long time with more things.
    I lived through the 1960′s-70′s and the 1080′s not fun, sometimes the park was so empty they wouldn’t show the stands at all.
    Fans are saying they want so and so on the team next year, even though they have been told the Yanks (as most teams) have to get under the limit by 2014. This is a business not a money pit for the other teams, yet a lot of the fans ask why didn’t Cashman get so and so, He follows orders from the bosses, that is why…don’t increase our payroll except 1 year contracts and cut where we can.

  27. Yeah, I get it Kenny Gun…….you make some salient points regarding draft picks, NY pressures etc.

    Are we friends again?

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