Good Morning. Hope you all had a nice weekend. Not much news this weekend in Yankee land. So just putting a new thread up this morning. Feel free to comment on any trade ideas you have or what you want to see the Yankees do this off-season. Have a good day.
Posted on November 19, 2012, in Notes & Links. Bookmark the permalink. 61 Comments.
As an old coach I try and balance my line-up with offensive and defensive players that can be succes
Let's not forget the Yanks are first in the AL in pitching for the first time in years. This plus go
fishjam, this is the kind of team that all Yankee fans will rally around. Cashman has done a good jo
Tremendous team victory. Great comeback with a lot of clutch hitting. Travis Hafner is finding his s
Adams hits his first HR, this kid looks like a hitter. Another for Robby Cano don't you know.
fishjam, Wells will come in the game late agains't the lefties, most of their at bats were along tim
I'd like to see Wells in the lineup and use both Wells and Adams somewhere in the first 6 batters to
doug... Looks like we have a difference idea as to what makes up a good line-up...say, what? What is
I would not put out a line-up like that, what are you going to do when they bring in their lefties?
This looks to be one of the best line-ups overall that the Yanks have put on the field this year.
Kuroda has been masterful, now 6-2 with a 1.99 ERA. Through the first quarter of the season he's up
Yeah, Toronto has under performed in every aspect of the game. Their starting pitching has been horr
fishjam... The word in the "Kitchen" was she had played women's baseball back in the day...true or n
Toronto is a truly hilarious team to watch. It's like watching a Little League team. Comedy of error
fishjam, Brignac is a poor man's Zobrist, the best thing about all the injuries is that this team is
Ken....your Mom sounds like one helluva lady! How did she know to teach you to throw and hit both wa
Yeah, so much can change by next year...who knows what we can epect from guys like Jeter and ARod wi
fishjam... That was the kindest thing ever said about my left arm. It's a funny thing, my mom made m
Adams seems to have the right stuff to be a #2 hitter, as you pointed out fishjam. The test will com
Ken, did anyone ever say...."I've seen better arms on a snake!"
And he does it AGAIN! Why do RHPs continue to throw offspeed pitches to him.....if you leave it near
This is the best lineup the Yankees have had in a while. On a different topic, Romine is starting to
OldYank.....We may begin to see less of Ichiro now that Hafner is back. Ichi is on the bench with Gr
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how about arod and 24 milli9on in cash to the bluejays for jose reyes?,…….
Not a chance Jimmy2244,
They need a SS not a 3rd baseman, plus A-Rod wouldn’t ok a trade to that team!
Good try, yes I think we all are looking to sell A-Rod down the river but, it isn’t that easy.
Matt has asked for trade ideas—-here goes mine!!!!
Prospect hugging—-Williams-Austin-Slade-Sanchez-Banuelos-etc, etc, etc… we like em all and yet they are prospects.
The Yankees have a first rounder coming as long as they dont sign a free agent who has been offered. another 2 or 3 supplemental picks if we don’t resign any of our own. So potential 4 top picks to re-stock farm even though WAY down the ladder and years away.
So my thought is trade for youth, using those chips along with unsignable or fringe players going forward
Trade candidates including prospects and Granderson, Cano,Gardner and would be starting pitchers.
Sign Pettitte and Kuroda if possible.
Trade for an entire new outfield, my choices are 3 of Stanton, Gordon, Reddick, J. Upton
Using prospects for the any of established players plus our current.
Ending up with those OF
A-Rod at 3rd, Jeter at SS, Adams/Cujo at 2nd, Teix at first
Defensive catchers will have plenty of offense
Fill the rotation and pen and bench
I am thinking will be cheaper and better
Go Yankees
John…
Nice to hear from you and your ideas of trades!
Mason, Slade, Gary and Austin along with Jose Campos and Turly are on my no trade list. That list is very fluid and can be changed in the right sort of deal.
Do you have anyone you wouldn’t trade, except for the right deal?
OldYank—–for me the info on these guys is all heresay soooo. Many sound truly great but again how many make it? As long as we can re stock for the next round so the answer is none.
If someone like Keith Law is so awesome and full of answers why dont we (Yankees) just hire him and then run with him?
John, you are a man after my own heart!
These so-called experts are so lazy they use the same talent report the public can get. The scouts reports are to overwhelming for most fans to read, they have more information than one would believe. The one the media gets is about one or so pages long.
Slade, Gary and Turly along with Montgomery are the ones I have seen a few times so I am not even going to read the reports. I think those four are close to being ready, Gary maybe not yet but in a year or two or three!?!
Those four guys I put on the A+ list…only trade for someone very, very good and young.
The other three are very close at B+…only go for someone good and young.
Anyhow, I don’t think this is being set up for a remake taking three to five years. I think they are going to go with stop-gap players on one year contracts and then go hog-wild in “2014 winter time”.
What about it, will they play it that way?
john….good afternoon. Please feel free to question any of my trades. Because, john, I don’t think you were serious about any of that post. It made no sense. So, here’s your homework back, re-do it, and bring it to class on Tuesday. Nothing personal, just my opinion.
Patrick—of course i was serious. I also know it will never be, yet I think it would ROCK. I do not want Cano with a long term deal crippling the team further. A-Rod, Teix, Jeter, and CC we ride out the storm for better or worse.
So the options are to use other pieces to improve and move forward. The outfielders i suggested all are team controlled for at least 3 years, reasonably priced and bright futures or so it seems.
Pitching, pitching and more pitching is all important but I have yet seen a game in the win column with a 0-0 score.
Help me out with the rotation-pen-bench-catcher and DH
Thanks and Go Yankees
john…I know you were serious. I think most of the Yankee farm crop, are over rated. That happens. The foundation bldg, will happen with players acquired, after they trade most of these hyped guys. Players you never heard of will fill the ranks. And, yes, the Yanks do have some keepers. Too early for rotation/pen….much can happen. Like a big blockbuster, that no one see’s coming. Take care
patrick, players that are ready for the majors are, Joseph, Adams, Almonte, and Montegomery.
doug…
If I may add Slade to that list it would seem more complete from my perspective.
The thing is, what do you think of him, he has had injuries the last few years and never played above AA. I think it would be pushing it somewhat, hay?
The four you picked have a much better chance than Slade in reality. Good picks!
old yankee, I saw Slade in the AFL, he was great,but I still want to see him in AAA, Monte is in the same boat in my mind. It’s hard to jump from AA to the majors, maybe by mid season.
Slade didn’t play that much the last few years, and yes, he could be something good for the Yankees as you said mid-2013 or 2014 for sure…baring injury!
doug…how are you? Yes, this is a keepers list. Along with the one called, Slade. So many of the others, will soon fade from your memory.
Jeter at 2585 games and 11895 plate appearances
3304 hits
844 extra base hits
1868 runs
1254 rbi
Rose at 2585 games
11823 plate appearances
3254 hits
861 extra base hits
1700 runs
999 rbi
Rose at 11895 plate appearances
3266 hits
865 extra base hits
1711 runs
1002 rbi
jeter has 38 more hits than pete rose through the same amount of plate appearances at this point in jeters career
My dad says Jeter is the best SS ever. He can field, hit, run, lead the team….
Arod is just a hollow loser. He’s got man boobs, I’ve got boy boobs.
derek jeter and barry bonds are the only 2 players in mlb history to reach each of these 5 marks
1 hit
1700 runs
1200 rbi
240 homers
340 stolen bases
One hit?
And remember Jeter was clean, aroid and Bonds juiced all day and all night.
Top recent commenters haven’t been updated since 10/19…….hello? My dad says this site needs FishJam to step up and take the ball…..
YES!…Young Fatboy…………Fishjam should carry the standard, and lead us forward. I tried the great Ballpark, but you ate his donut. Sorry about, twinkies.
Mr. Fish…wherever you are…..put down the bag of Lays, the Pringles cylinder and the XL Slim Jim.
We need you here.
FABIAN…who are you, to tell anyone, to put down snack? How many Cheese Doodles have you had today? Try, reaching out to Ballpark. He may step forward.
You guys get me tiered, you keep throwing numbers out there, most of which mean nothing, to show Jeter as the Best SS ever. Maybe you have forgotten the players that are above him #1-Honus Wagner, #2-A-Rod #10 Jeter.
Jeter is as I have said many, many times, the best SS the Yankees have ever had but, is not close to being the best ever in baseball!
Look it up fellows, the numbers don’t lie. The numbers rate;
#1-Wagner, #2-A-Rod and down in number 10 you have The Future HoF SS of the Yankees, D.Jeter. Jeter will make the HoF but 4,000+ hits, nope!
A-Rod will not be the HR leader of all time either but he will make it to over 3,000 hits and maybe (a big maybe) 700 HRs. Will he make the HoF…he should but, it will take a few years.
Not a Jeter hater just tiered of all the BS, if one is going to use numbers, fine…use them all, not just the ones you like! Check it out before calling me a Jeter hater. One is what one is, either the best or, one of the best, Jeter is easily one of the best but, not the Best.
I know most everyone here on this site loves Jeter and that is great but, rose-colored glasses have the effect or coloring your vision…don’t you think?
If you want to write about one of the all time greats, try Mo. He is the closest pitcher to being perfect for so many years as I have ever seen.
Heh OldYank—-Wisdom must be your middle name
john…Wisdom, the middle name…nah!…try Sal Hepatica. As in….Kenny, I put it in your lunch box!
Wagner is a ghost who no one saw play…..aroid juiced his way to those stats just like bonds and MacGuire. Jeter is number one ! He is a winner Aroid is a loser…didn’t you see them both perform this year in playoffs.
BOLIBOY?…seriously. I was raking leaves tonight, and that name came across my mind. Strange, eh? I was not posting at YFU, at that time. I did follow the postings. But, for some reason the name stuck…..Boliboy?………any of you Cow Girls remember him?…Just a thought.
Hmmm–without going crazy on a google search—-boliby =Twasp—-nice
WHAT! were did that come from?….Boliboy = Twasp? Do you write for ‘Mother Jones Magazine?’
My dad said Jeter is much better than Mariano.
He said Mo screwed up
1. Cleveland playoffs 1997
2. Boston playoffs game 5 2004
3. Arizona world series game 7 2001
That’s 3 championships we could have had !
TWASP says I want me some free hankies……
THE GREAT TWASP….can not go there, son.
AM I GONNA WIN THE TITLE AGAIN FOR MOST POSTS ?
Jim321….of course you are. Why wouldn’t you……What was your prize, for winning, last month?
Jim1234…….you da man….great Jeter stats, politics, cable vision, grocery bills…….
We all know what counts and what makes them great in each sport
:
1. Jeter 5 championships
2. Jordan 6 championships
3. Tiger Woods 10 major championships
4. Wayne Gretzky 6 championships
yeah but patrick been typing at knight after i go to bed,.. he might edge me out of the top spot
i do better stats when i have a couple twinkies in me
Jim are you fat too?
im not really fat
You guys make me smile—I am getting hooked on foolish chatter
john….I know you get this. Enjoy it, jump in. You will not find it anywhere else. If you can, let us know. Join in.
LAST CALL, ON BOLIBOY. …no one knows anything? A sky rocket in the night? So be it.
Patrick…
I think someone called for him above, if I am not mistaken!
Kenny…good night. Enjoyed your company….Early, wake up.
butderek jeter is one of the top 5 players in the history of baseball,….. ever,….. so he must be the best shortstop too
Not a chance Jimmy, I asked you, check out the stats in Baseball Stats or what ever it is called oh, Baseball-reference under greatest SS ratings. All across the board Wagner #1, A-Rod #2 and Jeter number #10.
Now if he is only #10 as a SS what makes you think he is anywhere near being among the top 5 in all of baseball?
You just don’t seem to understand, there is much, much more to being one of the greats of all time than hitting 3,000+, what about walk-off hits–one of the worse on the team, clutch hitting–again one of the lowest on the team, Most SO in play-offs, just to point out a few numbers you may have over looked.
Yes, Jeter was the best Yankee SS ever but, please lighten up on the Jeter numbers, all day every day, is a bit much, don’t you think?
You get what I mean now?
looking for a serious respons to this question…..
10 consecutive seasons of 2 first basemen from MLB
1)– can you guess who they are?
2)– is player 1 really so much better than player 2 to where it would be acceptable to say player 1 is a lock for the HOF and player 2 would be no where near the HOF?
player 1,,,,,,1497 games
hits—–137, 153, 194, 177, 151, 177, 178, 154, 146, 113 ===1580
runs— 66, 101, 112, 99, 86, 102, 103, 113, 90, 66========938
rbi—— 84, 112, 144, 110, 105, 121, 122, 108, 111, 84=====1101
home runs—-26, 38, 43, 33, 30, 33, 39, 33, 39, 24========338
avg——- 259, 281, 301, 282, 306, 308, 292, 256, 248, 251, overall=279
overall ops over the 10 years = 0.896
player 2,,,,,,,,1509 games
hits——–170, 159, 156, 129, 157, 176, 158, 146, 173, 123===1547
runs——-94, 98, 118, 87, 101, 106, 75, 86, 94, 68==========927
rbi———-115, 113, 103, 102, 122, 130, 102, 87, 98, 64======1036
home runs—–23, 32, 40, 32, 31, 42, 27, 32, 27, 22=========308
avg———-285, 283, 268, 254, 302, 304, 289, 265, 299, 259, overall=281
overall ops over the 10 years = 0.876
well, i’ll tell you,, player 1 is mark teixeira, player 2 is gil hodges,…… if gil hodges sucked, so does mark teixeira,…. to play devils advocate
people like mike francesa love to talk about how great mark teixeira is,and he is probably a lock for the HOF, but if a conversation comes up about gil hodges, francesa will say he was not that good.and didnt deserve to get in the HOF
their numbers for the 10 years i put up are nearly identical
and remember hodges didnt play his first 3 years due to milutary service in 1944, 45, and 46, after being called up in 1942 at age 19.
since when does going to war counmt against a guy?
Jimmy2244…
I think it must be my fault but, you still don’t get the fact, great hitting with nothing to go with it is nothing!
To be considered great one must be good on defense and offense. Gil and Tex are and were very good on defense as well as hitting.
You asked;
“since when does going to war count against a guy”?
Answer is, When ever we get a liberal government led by the Dems. They do not like the Army.
Tex is too fat to be in the Hall of Fame, they’d have to grease down the entrance with Twinkie cream, to fit him in. Hodges wasn’t fat was he?
gil hodges , from what i understand was a great defender and innovated great defensive play at first base.
and gils numbers are more impressive cause he was a righty, tex is a switch hitter who bats from the left side probably 70% or more of the time
people like to talk about how many times a player was an all star sometimes,, gil hidges was an time all star,, teixeira only 2 times.
gil hodges top 20 in all star voting 8 times,, teixeira 6 times
8 times for hodges as an all star i mean
Jim, you’ve convinced me, Hodges should be in the Hall.
here are 10 first baseman — The stats are taken from their 10 best “consecutive” seasons during their career
teixeira ——–1580 hits, 938 runs, 1101 rbi, 338 hr, 279 avg, 896 ops
2003-2012
hodges———-1547 hits, 927 runs, 1036 rbi, 308 hr, 281 avg, 876 ops
1949-1958
tino martinez—1502 hits, 807 runs, 1021 rbi, 265 hr, 277 avg, 833 ops
1995-2004
mark grace——1754 hits, 843 runs, 786 rbi, 117 hr, 310 avg, 835 ops
1990-1999
john olerude—–1531 hits, 768 runs, 837 rbi, 165 hr, 294 avg, 857 ops
1995-2004
don mattingly—-1827 hits, 852 runs, 966 rbi, 205 hr, 311 avg, 842 ops
1984-1993
keith hernandez-1675 hits, 892 runs, 832 rbi, 118 hr, 305 avg, 845 ops
1977-1986
steve garvey——1820 hits, 820 runs, 939 rbi, 200 hr, 305 avg, 808 ops
1974-1983
willie mccocvey—1261 hits, 764 runs, 897 rbi, 320 hr, 279 avg, 933 ops
1963-1972—–hall of famer
lou gehrig———–2022 hits, 1417 runs, 1527 rbi, 390 hr, 350 avg, 1118 ops
1927-1936—- hall of famer
HOF 1st basemen to look at – Jimmie Foxx, Eddie Murray, Albert Pujols****, Hank Greenberg, Harmon Killebrew, George Sisler, Rod Carew, Jim Thome
Out of these 18 very good to great first basemen in history of MLB,, I can not find a real contemporary of Hodges,. someone who played the meat of their carrer 1949-1958 at first base who had numbers like Hodges.
No one will stand up to Gehrig, but Hodges can stand up, as far as 10 “consecutive” seasons go, to all the other very good to great first basemen in history
then when you throw in hodges was a righty, missed 3 years due to the war that killed his development early, was an 8 time all star, at one point had the most homers right handed in history of MLB, there was no first baseman of the meat of hodge’s era to step up and be better,….. I really do think Hodges should be in the HOF.
here are maybe the top 23 first baseman of all time — The stats are taken from their 10 best “consecutive” seasons during their career
11 of the 23 are in the hall of fame, 3 of the 23 played this past season
here we can compare the 10 best consecutive seasons of great first basemen, taking into account stats, when they played , hall of famers vs non hall of famers
teixeira ——–1580 hits, 938 runs, 1101 rbi, 338 hr, 279 avg, 896 ops
2003-2012— played in 2012
hodges———-1547 hits, 927 runs, 1036 rbi, 308 hr, 281 avg, 876 ops
1949-1958
tino martinez—1502 hits, 807 runs, 1021 rbi, 265 hr, 277 avg, 833 ops
1995-2004
mark grace——1754 hits, 843 runs, 786 rbi, 117 hr, 310 avg, 835 ops
1990-1999
john olerude—–1531 hits, 768 runs, 837 rbi, 165 hr, 294 avg, 857 ops
1995-2004
don mattingly—-1827 hits, 852 runs, 966 rbi, 205 hr, 311 avg, 842 ops
1984-1993
keith hernandez-1675 hits, 892 runs, 832 rbi, 118 hr, 305 avg, 845 ops
1977-1986
steve garvey——1820 hits, 820 runs, 939 rbi, 200 hr, 305 avg, 808 ops
1974-1983
willie mccocvey—1261 hits, 764 runs, 897 rbi, 320 hr, 279 avg, 933 ops
1963-1972—–hall of famer
lou gehrig———–2022 hits, 1417 runs, 1527 rbi, 390 hr, 350 avg, 1118 ops
1927-1936—- hall of famer
tony perez———–1647 hits, 822 runs, 1028 rbi, 261 hr, 286 avg, 838 ops
1967-1976——hall of famer
Jimmie foxx———1860 hits, 1237 runs, 1416 rbi, 413 hr, 335 avg, 1086 ops
1929-1938 ——hall of famer
eddie murray——-1679 hits, 884 runs, 1015 rbi, 275 hr, 299 avg, 880 oips
1977-1986——-hall of famer
hank greenberg—–1393 hits, 921 runs, 1115 rbi, 294 hr, 321 avg, 1048 ops
1934-1946 (missed 1942,43,44) — hall of famer
harmon killebrew—–1323 hits, 843 runs, 1043 rbi, 385 hr, 263 avg, 921 ops
1962-1971— hall of famer
George Sisler———-2080 hits, 990 runs, 910 rbi, 88 hr, 347 avg, 873 ops
1919-1929 (missed 1923) — hall of famer
Rod Carew————-1896 hits, 884 runs, 659 rbi, 59 hr, 341 avg, 857 ops
1971-1980 (not a true first baseman,,played a lot of 2nd base) –hall of famer
Jim Thome————-1347 hits, 958 runs, 1025 rbi, 375 hr, 282 avg, 993 ops
1996-2005– played in 2012
albert pujols————-1900 hits, 1186 runs, 1230 rbi, 408 hr, 331 avg, 1050 ops
2001-2010—-played in 2012
jeff bagwell—————1643 hits, 1160 runs, 1155 rbi, 366 hr, 301 avg, 994 ops
1994-2003
johnny mize————-1651 hits, 947 runs, 1067 rbi, 297 hr 319 avg, 982 ops
1937-1949 (missed 1943,44,45)– hall of famer
frank thomas————–1692 hits, 1044 runs, 1152 rbi, 337 hr, 320 avg, 1020 ops
1991-2000
dan brouthers————-1645 hits, 1124 runs, 922 rbi, 74 hr, 346 avg, 952 ops
1883-1892——hall of famer
first basemen analysis:
not in the hof::
gil hodges, tino martinez, mark grace, john olerude, don mattingly, keith hernandez, steve garvey, jeff bagwell, frank thomas
in the hof:
mccovey, gehrig, perez, foxx, murray, greenberg, kilebrew, sissler, carew, mize, brouthers
still playing:
teixeira, thome, pujols
i will take the stats from above of each players 10 best consecutive seasons,, and average them for hits, runs, rbis and homers,, for the 9 players not in the hall vs the 11 players in the hall, and see what the average differences are
this should be intresting,….
analysis of top 20 first baseman in mlb history
stats taken from above post for best 10 consecutive seasons for each player- see list above
not in the hof::
gil hodges, tino martinez, mark grace, john olerude, don mattingly, keith hernandez, steve garvey, jeff bagwell, frank thomas
these 9 players, averaging their 10 best consecutive seasons together averaged per season:
166.8 hits, 90.1 runs, 96.9 rbi, 23.1 hr
in the hof:
mccovey, gehrig, perez, foxx, murray, greenberg, kilebrew, sissler, carew, mize, brouthers
these 9 players, averaging their 10 best consecutive seasons together averaged per season:
167.8 hits, 98.5 runs, 105.4 rbi, 26.0 hr
over hodges 10 best consecutive seasons compared to the 11 hall of famers 10 best consecutive seasons:
hodges averaged more hits than 3, more runs than 6, more rbi than 6, more homers than 7
and hodges compaed to the 11 hall of famers:
hodges ———————————154.7 hits, 92.7 runs, 103.6 rbi, 30.8 homers
11 hall of famers———————-167.8 hits, 98.5 runs, 105.4 rbi, 26.0 homers
avg of the 9 non hall of famers—-166.8 hits, 90.1 runs, 96.9 rbi, 23,1 homers
hodges is right there, so close , as far as my analysis today goes,….. hodges 10 best consecutive seasons, compared to the 10 best consuctive seasons of the top 11 hall of fame first baseman and the avg of the top 9 non hall of fame retired first baseman.
hodges is better than the avg top non hall of famer first baseman, and really just as good as the average top hall of fame first baseman
hodges should be in the hal.l of fame
summary for hodges to be in hall of fame:
1) the statiscal analysis above comparing his 10 best consecutive seasons to the 10 best consecutive seasons of the top 9 hall of fame first baseman and the top 11 non hall of fame first baseman (all retired)
2) hodges was an 8 time all star
3) hodges was the best first baseman of his era , the 10 consecutive seasons 1949-1958,… and expand it to 1946-1962—– couldnt find another top first baseman that was better than hodges during the meat of hodge’s career
4) hodges at one point was the mlb career leader for right handed home runs
5) hodges was a right handed batter
6) hodges died 2 days short of his 48th birthday ( sympathy factor is sometimes considered)
7) missed 3 seasons about ages 20, 22, 22 for world war 2, and didnt get an everyday shot because of it til 1949 when he went to first base full time ( he was called up at age 19 in 1943)
8) gil hodges was the father figure of the brooklyn dodgers, often protecting jackie robinson on the road
9) played on 7 world series teams, losing 5 to the yankees
10) was a monster clutch hitter in a lineup that also had jackie robinson, pee wee reese, duke snider, and 3 time mvp roy campemella— all in the hall of fame
11) hodges innovated defensive play at first base,.. and won 2 gold gloves
12) if we continue to go back in history,…. from now through the past, and examine where hodges was when he retired to other hall of famers,…… and take a close look at his numbers, as a right handed batter, it becomes clear about his prowess
13) gil hodges is by far one of the most beloved and respected players among”broklynites” sports fans,… which have spured 1000′s of books, and movies, and tv shows, and articles in news papers, magizines, and the internet
14) fan friendly , as were all the brooklyn dodgers, who signed autographs in the street outside the centerfield fence after games at ebbits field
15) world series winner as manager for the mets,……where he needed to be a great manager to overcome mighty baltimore
16) one of the most famous and talked about players in the history of mlb,…. a lot of it being that he never was awarded hall of fame status